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Yarmouth 11:02 Tue Jun 13
Lose Rice and keep Moyes - does it get any worse?

From the massive high of last week to the absolute doldrum of this week knowing we are to carry on next season with the most negative, shite football week in & week out because our club has no ambition above a dinosaur manager who will never change.

Fuck that.

scott_d 4:32 Wed Jun 14
Re: Lose Rice and keep Moyes - does it get any worse?

It’s odd what has happened under Moyes.

There has definitely been a bit of a backward step in the last 18 months in the way we play and with our success in the league. If you look at our League form from January last year we’ve been pretty poor since, but managed to hold on for 7th last year. But before that, after he kept us in the league and then we started the 21/22 season well, it was actually quite exciting watching West Ham and you always fancied us to score.

We didn’t have an out and out goalscorer as such (not sure you can count Antonio) but we had players chipping in with goals all over the pitch from Antonio, Lingard, Bowen, Fornals, Soucek, Dawson, Zouma, Ogbonna, Diop etc. and we always looked like scoring. I remember for a period if we went 1 down there was no panic as you would fancy us to get 1 back or even 2 or 3. That period, it was enjoyable to watch and we were picking up points.

It’s a shame he’s undone some of that this past season reverting to a more negative style but there is at least some evidence that Moyes is not as negative as some make out. I’m being allot kinder than I would be had we lost last week as for a long time I wanted him gone last season but I do feel like he deserves some credit for what he’s achieved and maybe even a bit of slack.

gph 4:17 Wed Jun 14
Re: Lose Rice and keep Moyes - does it get any worse?

Dunno, ask Bury*

*the worst might be over for them, but still

CR 3:59 Wed Jun 14
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I can bask in your the glory of winning a trophy, it’s wonderful, but it doesn’t mean I have to lose sight of next season and genuine the concerns I have about it. Having now had the sweet taste of success reintroduced to my life I am hungry for more. Our domestic season was awful in so many ways. Seeing a group of players, that should of been doing so much better, struggling around the wrong end of the table for most of the season, playing a horrible brand of football, does not inspire me for next season especially if we are losing Rice.

Lee Trundle 2:43 Wed Jun 14
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I feel a bit sorry for those who can't bask in the glory of winning something, and immediately have to go back to being depressed about Moyes staying on.

Enjoy the moment. I'm going to be dining out on being EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS for quite a while longer, before I even start making myself depressed about what next season brings.

BRANDED 2:39 Wed Jun 14
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I can imagine A LOT worse than the last three seasons.
What happens, happens.

WHU(Exeter) 2:29 Wed Jun 14
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"Does it get any worse"?

being in the Championship and drawing 0-0 at home to Walsall?

Random 1:10 Wed Jun 14
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Why oh why didn’t he just finish on a high? Can I do another season of watching his turgid football? I don’t think so. Square pegs in round holes again and the same old subs. Like for like subs position wise. No change of set up ever

AKA ERNIE 8:32 Wed Jun 14
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So all these shit moyes signings we will be making are they the same shit moyes signings that just won our first trophy 43yrs

Start the season poorly and he will be gone

Stubbo 8:26 Wed Jun 14
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The irony is I don't even think we need to go to a more possession based style.

For the first season and a half.under Moyes we looked decent...mostly because we pressed more aggressively.

The team have it in them even under Moyes...just look at how we played second half against Arsenal...if we had that attitude all the time aid be happy to watch football under Moyes.

Moyes clearly doesn't have a 60% possession, tika taka style of football in him...wouldn't know how to coach it if he wanted to. But there's no reason he couldn't get us back to 40-45% possession, much more aggressive pressing and ball recovery instead of the passive, edge of our penalty area park the bus low block we have become.

When you see the way we played against Arsenal second half, and against Bournemouth, it's hard to fathom why he doesn't send them out with that intent all the time.

It's almost like he tried one thing right at the start of the season which was his version of 'keep ball', it didn't work and then the situation became so grave he turned to the exact opposite with 'park the bus and hope to nick it' football (which wasn't what we'd been doing when successful with him either).

I'd I've just to have a conversation with him to ask the question of this change, highlight what was going so well when he was doing well and we were good to watch under him, and just to ascertain why he's departed from that approach so badly. I don't think it's because we've been found it...if you want to play ball recovery football you can just boot it long to give them deep possession and then swarm.

But this 1/4 court press that we now adopt EVERY game was a tactic he originally only reserved for games he thought we couldn't do well in or go toe to toe in (e.g. Man City away, Liverpool away).

Arsenal second half should be Moyes blueprint for the team. He's gotta squad that can do it, he's shown he can set the team up that way on numerous occasions...that's his style compromise that makes us good to watch and still plays largely on the counter.

dealcanvey 8:20 Wed Jun 14
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Decided not to post anything negative about the club until atleast 10 minutes into the new season.

CR 3:21 Wed Jun 14
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I guess we shall just have to wait and see.

Capitol Man 2:55 Wed Jun 14
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So after managing for 25 years he was finally found out?

I think there are real questions as to whether he’s able to build a side to take us to the next level, but he hasn’t really been found out. He’s got us to sixth and seven in the league and two European runs the last of which won us. Cup.

He was trying to build a more possession-based team and admittedly reverted to counter attack when it wasn’t working, and that did indeed help keep us up.

Some of his buys have been bad, but others are really starting to look good. I wouldn’t say he’s much worse than the majority of managers.

Is it a bigger gamble hoping that he will improve the standard of football over pulling in a likely completely untested “modern” manager to chance his arm at the highest level? We seem to be in the mode where we think someone new is better pretty much because it’s trying something else, when the reality is like the majority of other premier mangers he’ll under-achieve and be sacked.

CR 2:35 Wed Jun 14
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So we waste another half season until it dawns that his style of football has been found out in the Premier League. We also should have a decent amount of money to spend that should be moving as forward.

Vexed 2:30 Wed Jun 14
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Capitol Man 2:27 Wed Jun 14

When did we last play well? I'm intrigued when you thought our last run of form was. I don't think you could have watched much football in the last 18 months.

Capitol Man 2:27 Wed Jun 14
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It’s all a bit hysterical though isn’t it - to want to move him on after winning something. If we are doing poorly come November then move him on.

If we are playing well then the better football will come, if we aren’t then we will be losing and he can go on his way.

If this were going on at my other club we’ d be laughing about how stupid their fans are. Can you honestly not just enjoy it a bit and ho-e for better football next season?

CR 2:22 Wed Jun 14
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I remember the Wimbledon game, I was there, as I had been many times before and have been many times since. Just because we have had bad times in the past doesn’t mean we should just put up with it. I also remember some good times, watching exciting players and winning cups. There was a time when West Ham winning a trophy was not seen as extraordinary. Winning this trophy should not be the culmination for us but the start of bigger better things. That was the dream sold to us when Sullivan and co. moved us to that stadium. Does anyone really trust Moyes to spend the Rice money and I don’t believe Sullivan does either.

zebthecat 1:55 Wed Jun 14
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Alfs 1:33 Wed Jun 14

You had to mention Gerrard!
Intermittent relegations have been par the course for as long as I can remember. They were bad but you got used to them because you know we will come back up.
I haven't been a regular but did go a few times a year and the one that sticks is going 3-0 up against Wimbledon and then collapsing in a heap. Peak West Ham.That Gerrard goal was something else.

bruuuno 1:43 Wed Jun 14
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Yarmouth is a menapausal woman in case you didn’t know

Alfs 1:33 Wed Jun 14
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Getting beaten by 3rd division Huddersfield in the cup. Or Stockport. Or....

Getting relegated multiple times over the last 50 odd years.

Having our hearts ripped out by a freak Steven Gerard strike.

Are you under 20, Yarmouth?

New Jersey 1:04 Wed Jun 14
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When you've been freezing your knackers off in the away end at Barnsley watching us get dumped out of the FA cup, then yes it does get much worse!

Takashi Miike 1:01 Wed Jun 14
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"I see Di Canio said the other day that Moyes should be kept on next season and be given the chance to have a better season"

I know what he fucking said, I posted the interview in the match thread. oh, are you going down that road again where you think it an ex player says something I have to agree with it? fuck right off with that, you continue cheerleading his anti football shit but we need better

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